Transcribed from my video at www.youtube.com/askvictoria.
L is engaged to a man who has a previous family. He does not set boundaries and he is passive when it comes to dealing with his hurricane borderline personality adult daughter. She is in danger of completely being a door mat with this new family. Self analysis is needed to find out why she is putting herself in this situation and allowing all this boundary breaking. Also l needs to get clear on what she wants, needs and what her limitations are with respect to this new family she is enmeshed with.
Today I want to answer a viewer question, but first I’m going to read you the letter:
“Hi Victoria, I just watched a video of yours and I’m compelled to write. I’m involved with a wonderful man and he’s asked me to marry him. His and potentially my future family consists of four adult children, that the ex-wife brought to the family from a previous marriage, plus three biological children of his, ages from 12-16. The ex-wife has moved out-of-state with yet another man. She has been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder/narcissism, in addition to the 24-year-old daughter who is also borderline personality. Though the ex has not been too much of an emotional toll on me, learning to deal with the older daughter (I will call her A) is a daily challenge. A is married with a four-year-old child from a previous marriage, but they (A and her husband) consistently fight and break up weekly. She always runs home to daddy with her daughter and belongings in tow. This is very much a revolving door at daddy’s house. I have personally labelled her a tornado; she storms in, creates a disaster in her surroundings, and storms out as though nothing has happened, leaving the disaster for others to clean up, emotionally and physically. Recently one of their fights became physical. This was the first physical episode I have witnessed. I have witnessed the verbal abuse she expresses on the family on many occasions and although she and I have done well, I was recently on the receiving end with her expressing resentment toward me because I told her and her husband to get out of the house during the physical fight.
“Though it hurt me very much, I have come to terms with this, and discussed it in detail with the father. He is hopeful and I let it go. I recognize the pattern and not take it personally. I have been aware that my fiancé is what I call passive to the behaviour and I’m only guessing it is from years of trying to deal with it. I have also recognized that he sets few to no limits with the younger three children. There appear to be no lines they won’t cross, and they have a sense of entitlement. [red flag!]
“I have invested a tremendous amount of emotion with this family and a lot of physical work trying to make their house a home, not to mention the children seeing me as an additional source of money [red flag]. I have a career and would add 45 thousand to the family income. Their mother stayed at home.
“My question to you: where do I fit into this family? Will I always feel used, or can I set limits? Will there ever be peace? I divorced eight years ago and raised two sons. It was very challenging, but one is happily married with two babies, and the younger one just left for college. I raised them knowing the value of a dollar, and that you can only get what you work for. Now I am in a situation where that is not respected by children. Is it possible for me to keep my values and level of expectations with this new family? Side note: dad works out-of-state, so he is only home every two weeks, two weeks I am alone to deal with everything [red flag]. I do love this man very much and want a future with him. We always get away for a private weekend every month; we call it recovery weekend. [we’ll talk more about that] Any advice you can offer is greatly appreciated. Thank-you, L.”
L, I’m a little concerned about you, because on the one hand, I see that you don’t have a lot of power in the dynamic because they’re his kids, his family, and here you are trying to save them and model them after your family, and what you’ve accomplished. I don’t think that’s possible. I think you need to have a very strong conversation with your fiancé in which you lay out your limitations, your boundaries, your needs & wants, and stick to them, because it sounds like you’re enabling dysfunction, which I don’t think is what you want to do. I think your intentions are really good, but the best intentions are paved to hell sometimes. So I don’t want you to get into a terrible place emotionally yourself, feeling used & abused, because you have not followed through on your boundaries. You cannot follow his lead, because his lead sounds like no boundaries, very passive. If you’re going to get into this family, you need to be very clear about what you want, need, and what your boundaries are, and stick to them, and have everyone know that they are those boundaries. Also, be willing not to be liked by everyone. Clearly you can bend over backwards, leap tall buildings, turn yourself inside out into a pretzel and they still may not like you or appreciate you. So might as well set the boundaries in a fair, kind and loving way from the outset. Number one, when you get married your money will be yours and your fiancés, but let’s have some division because I don’t want your money to be usurped by the whole family. I know it’s a picky issue, money, but it’s an important issue given our economy and given general boundaries. I’m very concerned about this.
Number two, draw a boundary with that A daughter, because it does not sound healthy or that letting her stay there is helpful to her or her family even a little bit. So a boundary is, she’s an adult, she fights, there are issues, let them deal with it. They don’t come and camp out. Your fiancé could follow your lead on this. If he doesn’t, I would be thinking, red flag. This is not going to stop. How we do some things, L, is how we do everything. If he has no boundaries with this daughter, what’s to say he won’t have boundaries with future situations, walking all over the home and you?
I think that your recovery weekends, you take as a good thing. I think of it as, you guys are operating from fight/flight emergency constantly, and when things are great on these recovery weekends, it sustains you through the hell or the dysfunction during regular life. So that’s a red flag for me.
Number two, he goes away for two weeks, and you deal with everything. Why? That’s not, in my opinion, fair. It is what it is, but while you’re doing that, you need to know that there are certain consequences to choices you’re making, consequences on you. You’ve raised your family already. What’s all this? I would be looking inside to your own emptiness, what’s going on with you. You sense that this is a problem, obviously if you’re writing me. So what’s this all about? What’s the source of this? You’ve got to ask yourself, what is the source of your allowing yourself to be treated like a doormat at times? And it’s only going to get worse. Be very careful with yourself. Look at all the red flags that I spoke about. Also, get a list of boundaries, number two. And number three, get a clear agreement with your fiancé around money and around how you allow that home (which is now yours too) to be accommodated to. I do not think that the adult daughter should be allowed to splay her tornado all over everybody.
Keep us posted. I just want to say good luck, get your boundaries in order. And self-value. You’ve done a lot of good things. Self-value, my dear. You are someone who needs to make sure you really value yourself.
I’m thinking about all of you. Blessings!
Victoria Lorient-Faibish MEd, CCC, RPP, RPE
Holistic Psychotherapist
Masters in Educational Psychology
Canadian Certified Counsellor
Registered Polarity Practitioner
Registered Polarity Educator
Reiki Master
New Decision Therapy
Hi!
Great article!
I’ll use it for my studies.
Please check out this website:
http://psychcentral.com/lib/2007/symptoms-of-borderline-personality-disorder/
Hi L. Are you afraid that you’ll end up with an empty nest? If so that’s understandable. I agree that its a heck of a challenge to have a partner who does not set boundaries. However I do not sense that you want to leave this man or his family at all and you have a lot of kids to look after. I think I would look at several practical matters:
– What is your legal status with the kids? Can you gain legal parental responsibility before marrying your fiancé? That would give you more authority in the situation. You need some legal recognition of your status with the younger kids because you are not an au pair or baby-sitter – you are their new Mom.
– As Mom – whatever pattern has emerged before – the house should now be run according to your boundaries and rules. You must gently tell your fiancé that you cannot cope otherwise. I suspect he want you to do this – otherwise he would be around more. As he is away so much he is hardly involved with his kids and won’t engage when he is around. So the parenting is down to you & he has silently told you this.
– Set the boundaries – but be sure you are being reasonable. Never the less – make the boundaries. With adult daughter A I would be concerned about her child. My strategy would be – she can bring the daughter over when things get hostile at home – or that the child can have a regular sleep-over with the other kids – but A cannot and she should be directed for counselling or marriage counselling as it sounds like someone is being abusive there.
– Set boundaries with your fiancé. I know it may feel like parenting him but if you stay with him this is how it is going to be if you are to have any semblance of order and avoid chaos. Let him know the rules with the children. Tell him that if he continually under-mines you that you will not be able to parent them well and that you cannot cope. He chose you because of who you are – in large part that is a good mother and a person with strong boundaries. That’s what they are all looking for and wanting. Ultimately if he continues to under-mine your efforts and leave you in a powerless position you may have to consider leaving – no mater how much energy has gone into this family.
– Ensure there are consequences (just the normal sanctions for kids) when the children mis-behave. Use lots of positive reinforcement of good behaviour.
– I would also insist that the monthly weekends away stop. Your partner can never be there for his kids! I suggest instead that these are turned into weekends going on outings with the kids or making stuff at home with them. Ensure your fiancé engages with them and spends time with them. A step-mom who enables daddy to spend time with his kids is going to be cherished more than someone who is merely a disciplinarian and then takes up all of daddy’s time when he is around.
– I suspect you are scared about what will happen to the younger kids if you leave. Unless you marry this man or gain formal parental responsibility – they are not your responsibility. So the situation must become less chaotic and more stable for the kids and you – or social services will end up getting involved and you will be at least partly blamed. Think about how bad this could get! You are the Mom – do what is right. Make you partner put his kids first and set the boundaries – even if he wont.
– Separate your finances even if you marry and certainly before you marry.
– Also are the kids seeing their Mom at all? They should be – no matter what she is like – unless she is abusing them. Pack them off for a weekend at least once a month – they are likely to appreciate it and you get a break.